Rank Pay case update: 01 Aug 2011
Dear Sir,
The case was heard in the court of Justice Aftab Alam and Justice RM Lodha in court no 10 today ie 01 Aug 2011. The UOI was represented by the new Solicitor General Mr Nariman. He put forth his views for 40 -45 mins on the gambit of IV CPC recommendations and the rank pay deduction and its cascading effect on V & VI CPC with the bogey of 1600cr.
There were queries from the court on the 'deduction of rank pay and pay fixation' which did not sound convincing. Senior Advocate for RDOA Shri Mahavir Singh drew the attention of the court to the Govt resolution issued after acceptance of the IV CPC report wherin it has been stated that rank pay would be paid in addition to the pay in the integrated scale.The court seemed to be to get to the bottom of the matter that if rank pay was to be given in addition to the pay in the integrated scale, then why the deduction. The court wanted to hear more on the matter. The case has been scheduled in the week beginning 22 Nov 2011.
It is requested that the update be put on RMS for info of all.
Thanking you
Secy RDOA-
Showing posts with label Rank March for Justice. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Rank March for Justice. Show all posts
Tuesday, August 2, 2011
Thursday, February 24, 2011
IESM Rally at Jantar Mantar on 06 Mar 2011
Dear Veterans,
1. Press release for 6 March 2011 rally at Jantar Mantar already sent to the press.
2. All ESM and ESM organizations across the country are requested to attend the above Rally to send the right signal to the Govt, to accept our demands. We also request the member of the family of ESM and our supporters to attend the above rally. The dress for the Rally is uniform/ Mufti along with the Regimental Cap to clearly and visibly indicate our identity and emphasize that we are not happy. Remember, if we do not help ourselves, nobody else would, let us therefore put all our efforts and make the Rally a success.
3. Conveners of IESM at all levels are requested to motivate ESM in their areas to voluntarily deposit their medals and sign memorandum in Blood for onward deposit with the President.
4. Adm Arrangements, part reimbursement for transport and rail/bus fare will also be made by the IESM as hitherto. Conveners are requested to give maximum publicity for the event information may be published in various local newspapers.
With Regards,
Jai Hind
Yours Sincerely,
Maj Gen (Retd) Satbir Singh, SM
Vice Chairman IESM
1. Press release for 6 March 2011 rally at Jantar Mantar already sent to the press.
2. All ESM and ESM organizations across the country are requested to attend the above Rally to send the right signal to the Govt, to accept our demands. We also request the member of the family of ESM and our supporters to attend the above rally. The dress for the Rally is uniform/ Mufti along with the Regimental Cap to clearly and visibly indicate our identity and emphasize that we are not happy. Remember, if we do not help ourselves, nobody else would, let us therefore put all our efforts and make the Rally a success.
3. Conveners of IESM at all levels are requested to motivate ESM in their areas to voluntarily deposit their medals and sign memorandum in Blood for onward deposit with the President.
4. Adm Arrangements, part reimbursement for transport and rail/bus fare will also be made by the IESM as hitherto. Conveners are requested to give maximum publicity for the event information may be published in various local newspapers.
With Regards,
Jai Hind
Yours Sincerely,
Maj Gen (Retd) Satbir Singh, SM
Vice Chairman IESM
Saturday, October 2, 2010
IESM: Letter to President of India
Lt Gen Raj Kadyan, PVSM, AVSM, VSM
Chairman
IESM/OROP/President 30 Sep 2010
To,
Smt Pratibha Devi Singh Patil,
Her Excellency the President of India
Rashtrapati Bhawan, New Delhi 110001
Excellency,
It is submitted that we were greatly disappointed when we visited the Rashtrapati Bhawan on 22 August 2010 to deposit medals. Her Excellency had not found time to meet us in person. As our Supreme Commander of Armed Forces, you are our last port of call to resolve all our just problems. As you would be aware, the Ex-Servicemen have been demanding ‘one rank one pension’ for the last 30 years and the Government have not yet acceded to our request. When all our pleadings and entreaties failed to convince the Government, then, after due notice to the authorities, we were compelled to go public with our demand. We are resolved to pursue the matter till we get justice.
We next plan to send a delegation to the Rashtrapati Bhawan on Sunday, 28 November 2010 at 14.30 hours to deposit more medals. We will again request Her Excellency to make it convenient to meet the delegation, hear them out and accept the medals in person. Failing this, we will have no choice but to bring the medals back. The environment will of course remain abreast of the development.
We again assure you that whatever form of protest we adopt, it will remain within the law and tenets of military discipline.
With best regards
Yours sincerely
Lt Gen Raj Kadyan
LETTER TO THE COMMISSIONER OF POLICE DELHI
Lt Gen Raj Kadyan, PVSM, AVSM, VSM
Chairman
IESM/OROP/Police 30 Sep 2010
Shri Y S Dadwal, IPS,
Commissioner of Police
M S O Building
New Delhi – 110 002
Dear Sir,
This is to inform you that 5,000 Ex-Servicemen will be holding a peaceful demonstration at Jantar Mantar from 10.00 hours to 15.00 hours on Sunday, 28 November 2010. At 14.30 hours, they will also be handing over their medals at Rashtrapati Bhawan. You are requested to kindly provide necessary security cover. You are also requested that vehicles and police escort for a delegation of ten members may kindly be provided at 1400 hours at Jantar Mantar for proceeding to Rashtrapati Bhawan for depositing medals.
With best regards
Yours sincerely
Lt Gen Raj Kadyan
Chairman
IESM/OROP/President 30 Sep 2010
To,
Smt Pratibha Devi Singh Patil,
Her Excellency the President of India
Rashtrapati Bhawan, New Delhi 110001
Excellency,
It is submitted that we were greatly disappointed when we visited the Rashtrapati Bhawan on 22 August 2010 to deposit medals. Her Excellency had not found time to meet us in person. As our Supreme Commander of Armed Forces, you are our last port of call to resolve all our just problems. As you would be aware, the Ex-Servicemen have been demanding ‘one rank one pension’ for the last 30 years and the Government have not yet acceded to our request. When all our pleadings and entreaties failed to convince the Government, then, after due notice to the authorities, we were compelled to go public with our demand. We are resolved to pursue the matter till we get justice.
We next plan to send a delegation to the Rashtrapati Bhawan on Sunday, 28 November 2010 at 14.30 hours to deposit more medals. We will again request Her Excellency to make it convenient to meet the delegation, hear them out and accept the medals in person. Failing this, we will have no choice but to bring the medals back. The environment will of course remain abreast of the development.
We again assure you that whatever form of protest we adopt, it will remain within the law and tenets of military discipline.
With best regards
Yours sincerely
Lt Gen Raj Kadyan
LETTER TO THE COMMISSIONER OF POLICE DELHI
Lt Gen Raj Kadyan, PVSM, AVSM, VSM
Chairman
IESM/OROP/Police 30 Sep 2010
Shri Y S Dadwal, IPS,
Commissioner of Police
M S O Building
New Delhi – 110 002
Dear Sir,
This is to inform you that 5,000 Ex-Servicemen will be holding a peaceful demonstration at Jantar Mantar from 10.00 hours to 15.00 hours on Sunday, 28 November 2010. At 14.30 hours, they will also be handing over their medals at Rashtrapati Bhawan. You are requested to kindly provide necessary security cover. You are also requested that vehicles and police escort for a delegation of ten members may kindly be provided at 1400 hours at Jantar Mantar for proceeding to Rashtrapati Bhawan for depositing medals.
With best regards
Yours sincerely
Lt Gen Raj Kadyan
Tuesday, September 14, 2010
NDTV: OROP- The backstage story
NDTV OROP SHOW- THE BACKSTAGE STORY AND ITS SIGNIFICANCE
Please click here to view the NDTV OROP Telecast as you read the backstage story
My Dear Respected Sirs and Colleagues,
In my opinion, the recent NDTV show on OROP was a success in many ways. Thanks to the internet, mostly everyone on RMS has been able to see the recording of the show which was finally aired after significant edit. The show has been already discussed, criticized, appreciated and everything in between. We should, however, realize that the show was conducted by NDTV (a standard sponsor funded and government pleasing TV News Channel) and not by IESM. So the participants had little control on the way it was being conducted, IESM included.
What I wanted to draw everybody's attention to is the real scenario at the studio while the said program was being recorded. I would also mention why the knowledge of the studio environment is important for everyone to know.
There is a very specific term in the media fraternity known as 'Sensitization'. What it means is that a certain group of people is 'sensitized' or made aware of the issues, problems and challenges faced by another community/group/part of the public. NGOs, corporations and even governments spend significant sums of money to mould the opinion of the target masses in their favor by doing such campaigns.
Now at the NDTV studio, something similar to that, on a smaller scale, was carried out by Col Joshipura Sir and self before the program started. We made small huddles of other participants of the discussion and told them what OROP really is and why its such a gross injustice towards our veterans. Especially the younger lot in the audiences seemed to understand this concept very easily. Probably because they have an open mind and do not have any vested interests in actions against the defence forces.
What we were able to accomplish by this, even before the program started, was that almost everyone in the studio (minus the vested interests) was already on our side. You had to see it to believe it. One word, and I mean one word, against OROP or the veterans was not tolerated by the crowd. This was primarily the reason why Capt. Davar was unable to complete even one single sentence properly. And why the others (the lady IAS and others) were scared to say anything against us. They were making attempts but they were scared. You can see it on their faces.
The environment in the studio was mostly split in two emotions -- Anger and Disappointment. Disappointment that the government which is supposed to take care of the military that takes care of the nation is so brutally ignoring the very men and women that gave the nation the best years of their lives. Anger - because if something is not done soon, something is got to give...
Gen Kadyan and Sh. Uday Bhaskar as well as Sh. Rajeev Chandrashekhar were calm, composed and organized like they always are and put forward the points in an effective way despite provocation by the bureaucrats and co. Self, with help from the audience, provided some artillery fire!
What you all must also know and understand is the fact that since certain of the panel's individuals were direct representatives of the government (Capt Davar included) and so they were being given a LOT LOT LOT of footage. It was easily visible. On the contrary when our people were speaking, they were getting the mic literally for seconds! It was frustrating but hey, you have to make the best of what you have, right!
Now you can ask me why is this important at all? When it was not captured by the cameras and not aired on television why is this even worth talking about.
To answer that, I will have to direct your attention to another specific term used in advertising. Its called 'viral marketing'. This is a well known fact that viral marketing is on of the most effective and fastest spreading modes of publicity. What it means is that news/opinion is spread virally from one person to another then to another then to another. Also known as word of mouth publicity.
Now NDTV can edit out the conversations which were taking place in the background and through the microphone. They can choose to not air the parts many of us spoke. But what they cannot take away from us is the stir we created in those 50 or so people present in that room. They cannot take away the fresh and new perspective and knowledge that they now have about the armed forces, the government, how we are being treated and the white lies the government sells. especially the younger people and other ESM not yet associated with IESM.
And guess what, this is going to spread virally. From one person to another from one mouth to another. From a youth to another youth. And while this might seem or sound insignificant at this time, this will go a long way in strengthening our movement from the inside. To strengthen the roots of this mission. To connect with the youth and the general public.
Speaking to people at the studio was specially effective because they were all well educated and well connected people and probably keep interacting with many people. So that will help.
Once again the program, in my opinion was very successful. Of course, as with everything, it could have been better as some have pointed out. But I think it was good and I think the message was sent across. I do hope that such programs keep happening and that we reach our goal at the earliest.
I thank you for taking the time to go through this email. Much appreciated.
Yours truly,
Kameshwar Pandey
Sub/Maj Hony Lt (Veteran)
NDTV: OROP Program Feedback from Readers and Suggestions
We the People: Pension for ex Armymen a question of equality: click here for more readers responses
Please click here to view the NDTV OROP Telecast as you read the backstage story
My Dear Respected Sirs and Colleagues,In my opinion, the recent NDTV show on OROP was a success in many ways. Thanks to the internet, mostly everyone on RMS has been able to see the recording of the show which was finally aired after significant edit. The show has been already discussed, criticized, appreciated and everything in between. We should, however, realize that the show was conducted by NDTV (a standard sponsor funded and government pleasing TV News Channel) and not by IESM. So the participants had little control on the way it was being conducted, IESM included.
What I wanted to draw everybody's attention to is the real scenario at the studio while the said program was being recorded. I would also mention why the knowledge of the studio environment is important for everyone to know.
There is a very specific term in the media fraternity known as 'Sensitization'. What it means is that a certain group of people is 'sensitized' or made aware of the issues, problems and challenges faced by another community/group/part of the public. NGOs, corporations and even governments spend significant sums of money to mould the opinion of the target masses in their favor by doing such campaigns.
Now at the NDTV studio, something similar to that, on a smaller scale, was carried out by Col Joshipura Sir and self before the program started. We made small huddles of other participants of the discussion and told them what OROP really is and why its such a gross injustice towards our veterans. Especially the younger lot in the audiences seemed to understand this concept very easily. Probably because they have an open mind and do not have any vested interests in actions against the defence forces.
What we were able to accomplish by this, even before the program started, was that almost everyone in the studio (minus the vested interests) was already on our side. You had to see it to believe it. One word, and I mean one word, against OROP or the veterans was not tolerated by the crowd. This was primarily the reason why Capt. Davar was unable to complete even one single sentence properly. And why the others (the lady IAS and others) were scared to say anything against us. They were making attempts but they were scared. You can see it on their faces.
The environment in the studio was mostly split in two emotions -- Anger and Disappointment. Disappointment that the government which is supposed to take care of the military that takes care of the nation is so brutally ignoring the very men and women that gave the nation the best years of their lives. Anger - because if something is not done soon, something is got to give...
Gen Kadyan and Sh. Uday Bhaskar as well as Sh. Rajeev Chandrashekhar were calm, composed and organized like they always are and put forward the points in an effective way despite provocation by the bureaucrats and co. Self, with help from the audience, provided some artillery fire!
What you all must also know and understand is the fact that since certain of the panel's individuals were direct representatives of the government (Capt Davar included) and so they were being given a LOT LOT LOT of footage. It was easily visible. On the contrary when our people were speaking, they were getting the mic literally for seconds! It was frustrating but hey, you have to make the best of what you have, right!
Now you can ask me why is this important at all? When it was not captured by the cameras and not aired on television why is this even worth talking about.
To answer that, I will have to direct your attention to another specific term used in advertising. Its called 'viral marketing'. This is a well known fact that viral marketing is on of the most effective and fastest spreading modes of publicity. What it means is that news/opinion is spread virally from one person to another then to another then to another. Also known as word of mouth publicity.
Now NDTV can edit out the conversations which were taking place in the background and through the microphone. They can choose to not air the parts many of us spoke. But what they cannot take away from us is the stir we created in those 50 or so people present in that room. They cannot take away the fresh and new perspective and knowledge that they now have about the armed forces, the government, how we are being treated and the white lies the government sells. especially the younger people and other ESM not yet associated with IESM.
And guess what, this is going to spread virally. From one person to another from one mouth to another. From a youth to another youth. And while this might seem or sound insignificant at this time, this will go a long way in strengthening our movement from the inside. To strengthen the roots of this mission. To connect with the youth and the general public.
Speaking to people at the studio was specially effective because they were all well educated and well connected people and probably keep interacting with many people. So that will help.
Once again the program, in my opinion was very successful. Of course, as with everything, it could have been better as some have pointed out. But I think it was good and I think the message was sent across. I do hope that such programs keep happening and that we reach our goal at the earliest.
I thank you for taking the time to go through this email. Much appreciated.
Yours truly,
Kameshwar Pandey
Sub/Maj Hony Lt (Veteran)
NDTV: OROP Program Feedback from Readers and Suggestions
We the People: Pension for ex Armymen a question of equality: click here for more readers responses
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